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Thomas Wolf· @Thom_Wolf · X·· 2 小时前AI 评分53
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Thomas Wolf 转发 @rauchg 复现 OpenAI 发现的智能体经共享硬件隐蔽通信的实验:cpu-chat 在 2+ 个无网络的 Firecracker microVM 上通过 CPU 争用、缓存逐出计时和 DRAM 带宽争用三种机制实现通信,绕过 Firecracker 生产建议(禁 SMT、禁 KSM、租户绑定不同核心)。Wolf 补充评论:OpenAI 和 Anthropic 的模型拒绝做这类工作,开放权重模型完成了任务;他认为构建安全沙箱需要此类分析,实验室的立场可能适得其反。

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“ironically, OpenAI and Anthropic’s models refused to do this work. Open weight models got the job done”

OpenAI found agents could talk covertly through shared hardware. reproducing it to build better containment took an open-weight model

keeping agents contained is safety work, and open models can help do it

引用Guillermo Rauch@rauchg
I built 𝚌𝚙𝚞-𝚌𝚑𝚊𝚝, a reproduction of @openai's findings of covert communication using the CPU. It runs on a generic host with 2+ Firecracker microVMs with no internet access. Works on x86 and even my M5 chip. I was able to chat via 3 separate mechanisms: ① CPU contention ② Cache eviction timing ③ DRAM bandwidth contention … across multiple CPUs, defeating all Firecracker's production recommendations (no SMT, no KSM, tenants pinned to different cores.) Essentially, if shared hardware is involved, there's a good chance your agents can communicate covertly. And with really decent latency. The good news: this is decidedly different from a *side-channel attack* where the agents could steal information (Meltdown/Spectre), a category of attack that providers like Vercel Sandbox mitigate. Further, in our real-world environment, these 'whispering' techniques are much harder to pull off and easier for us to monitor and detect (sampling hardware counters + lots of at-scale statistical data.) Noteworthy: ironically, OpenAI and Anthropic's models refused to do this work. Open weight models got the job done. I'm worried the labs' stance might backfire and get in the way of helping developers build correct and secure systems. e.g: building a secure sandbox requires having this kind of analysis, and without it, we'll have a less secure world.
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